Posted by Deke on January 01, 1998 at 10:23:08:
Here in my (humble) opinion is the best post of 1997.
Read it and ponder. I believe we should start the new
year off right. Think about what you are actually achieving
when you pump.Nobody was irritating but much of what he says
is worth considering. IF HE IS RIGHT, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LOSE.
I know his post was offensive to many of us but get past
this and consider what he had to say:
A Wee Reality Check
Posted by nobody on May 24, 1997 at 05:58:28:
There are seven basic types of people who post to this forum:
1) Homosexuals who are obsessed with their penises
and other guys' penises to the point that their
whole lives revolve around it.
2) Insecure guys who have either smaller penises or
normal penises (but just think they're small)
who pathetically listen to assholes like the self-
styled, self-serving "experts" in this place
- and all because they've gotten the crazy idea
that the sideshow freaks in the X-rated movies
they watch represent the average male, or because
some asshole in a locker room made fun of them.
3) Narcissists, who are so wrapped up in themselves
that they have to find places like this to brag
about themselves, fantasize about the kinds of
penises they wish they had, and play mentor and
big brother to the gullible and the insecure.
(i.e. fucking parasites)
4) Horney teenage boys on steroids - the bane of every forum.
5) Men who have real medical problems, but who are too
stupid to visit doctors for treatment; instead,
they turn to internet assholes for health advice.
In other words, men who are risking permanent
impotence by fucking around with the idiots on
this forum and their half-baked ideas.
6) The guys who run the PROFIT-DRIVEN BUSINESS that
maintains this forum and who dispense phoney
information to get you suckers excited enough to
buy their overpriced toys. Didn't you ever wonder
how these guys afford the server space for this
forum? Duh.
7) People like me, who hit an odd link that had nothing
to do with our search strategies, who get really
annoyed with this kind of misinformation, who don't
buy a bit of this bullshit, and don't mind being
"mean-spirited" enough to call it bullshit when we see it.
Apparently, some of you are amazingly ignorant of
basic high school biology facts. So let's get some
things straight:
These pumps are called vacuum tumescence devices.
They are prescribed for men who have vascular
erectile impotence caused by atherosclerosis,
diabetes, and other conditions. They are not
prescribed by any reputable or knowledgeable
physician for the purposes of "penis enlargement."
The medical devices these men buy are overpriced
because they have been calibrated with safety valves
and subjected to medical licensing. The safety valves
prevent their owners from doing stupid things with
high vacuums, like some of the participants in this
forum.
The idea of penis enlargement is a joke everywhere
in the medical community except among plastic
surgeons, and the surgery they offer is considered
highly ethically questionable by the majority of
physicians, and certainly by nearly all urologists.
If you don't believe me, call up for an appointment
with a board certified urologist and ask him.
The size of the individual penis is almost exclusively
a function of genetics, and cannot be altered except
by serious invasive surgery.
The increases in length, or girth, caused by
"pumping" are brought about by excess fluid
building up in the interstitial spaces of the
penis as the vacuum pulls it across the
capillary beds. In pathological processes, it is
called lymphangitis. It will go away just as soon
as the lymphatic drainage of the penis drains it
away. The only way to maintain this "gain" in
size is to keep the penis in a perpetual state
of tissue edema - in other words, constantly
irritated. I suppose some of the obsessive
people on this forum enjoy being constantly
irritated (and I'm only too happy to oblige),
but they have mental problems. Some of them
are also willing to have other men shove their
arms up their asses all the way to their
transverse colons.
Those "doughnuts" people talk about are actually
the result of tissue edema caused by this fluid
buildup.
The firm, knotty cords running along the upper
length of the penis that some of you feel are
frank lymphangitis, caused by overuse of the pump.
These are swollen lymphatic vessels, trying to
remove the excess tissue fluid.
Dark discoloration of the penis is actually a
mild hematoma, or bruise that has been caused by
vacuum injury to weak capillaries in the penis.
The broken vessels actually bleed into the
interstitial space under the skin. They are the
penile equivalent of a hickey. Excess bruising
is occasionally a sign of a blood coagulation
disorder.
The only gains in length these pumps can be credited
with are caused by firmer than normal erections.
Every man's penis has harder or softer erections,
depending on his state of sexual excitement and
physiologic factors at the time he gets the erection.
The length of the erect penis can vary considerably
depending on these factors. OF COURSE you'll measure
longer erections when you've consistently built up
the vacuum to higher and higher readings each time
you use the pump. This is just a learning curve;
you're learning how to pump your penis more
effectively. All this extra attention does not
lead to any permanent expansion of the lacunae in
the corpora cavernosa of the penis. The penis is
not designed or evolved for hypertrophy of its
spongy tissues.
The average penis size in the United States is
around 6 inches in length. The average penis size
of a 600 pound gorilla is 3 inches. The size of the
flaccid penis is no indicator whatsoever of its
erect length. Men who have large flaccid penises
often have little or no enlargement of the penis
during erection, while men whose penises are small
when flaccid often have very substantial enlargement
when the tissues fill with blood.
Erection occurs when the microscopic SMOOTH muscle
of the penile arterioles relaxes, allowing increased
blood flow through to the erectile chambers - the corpora
cavernosa and the corpus spongiosum. The increased flow
cannot be accomodated by the veins of the penis, and
the spongy tissues swell up with blood. Most physical
erectile impotence is caused by problems in the blood
vessels such as arterial disease or varicosities.
A lot of erectile impotence is caused not by physical
problems, but by depression. A large percentage of
the patients physicians see in general practice are
suffering from depression but don't know it. Middle
age can also cause changes in the firmness or frequency
of erections. Levels of the male hormone testosterone
usually drop dramatically after the late 30s, and this
causes loss of sexual interest and fewer, weaker erections.
The penis contains no skeletal muscle whatsoever.
It is a false analogy to compare "penis enlargement"
techniques to bodybuilding exercises. The idea that
the penis can be broken down and rebuilt to larger
dimensions is nonsense. This idea has been borrowed
from bodybuilding, where skeletal muscle is pushed beyond
its capacities and undergoes reactive hypertrophy due
to the damage. The penis does not hypertrophy because
it has no skeletal muscle. When the penis is damaged,
it undergoes fibrosis and scar tissue formation.
One condition that causes fibrosis is Peyronie's disease.
Men with Peyronie's disease get crooked, painful
erections. I guarantee that none of you wants this.
Black men with sickle cell trait may be interested to
know that even though they may not have sickle cell
disease, their red blood cells can still sickle in
conditions of vascular insufficiency or stasis - the
kinds of conditions caused by constricting the blood
flow out of the penis with a pump setup. Sickling can
compromise the blood flow in the area served by
vessels plugged by sickled blood cells.
Men who are prone to varicose veins may be more
susceptible to formation of painful varicosities
in the penis if they regularly leave their penises
engorged with blood for extended periods, using
vacuum devices. Such varicosities are permanent,
and they can lead to erectile problems.
The application of vacuum to the testicles is a
stupid practice. The "enlargement" of the testicles
is caused by the same fluid transudation as is seen
in the penis. The result is similar to pathological
conditions known as hematocele, hydrocele, or scrotal
edema. Part of this edema is fluid that has filled
the tunica vaginalis, and this makes it impossible
for men to perform the monthly testicular self-exam
recommended by the American Medical Association.
Of course, I don't suppose the average hard core
"pumper" would care that testicular cancer is the most
common solid tumor in men of the 20 to 39 year-old age
group, or that most of these cancers are discovered by
men feeling their own testicles while they're bathing,
or that untreated testicular cancer metastasizes and kills,
or that the testicle can't be felt if it's surrounded
by an edematous tunica vaginalis. After all, they have
to have BIG balls. Unfortunately, if they do get cancer
and it goes undetected, they won't have any balls.
But then most of them don't care about getting HIV
infections, either, because none of that matters when
you let your genitals do your thinking for you.
Edema of the testicle itself is not accomodated by
swelling of the testicle; the adult testicle cannot
swell, because it is surrounded by a stiff capsule.
That's why mumps in adults can cause sterility -
the infection causes testicular edema, and without the
ability to swell up, the testicle is damaged. It's
really smart to deliberately create artificial
testicular edema of your own just to make your
testicles FEEL larger. But hey, go ahead and try it -
you'll never know if it makes you sterile or
permanently damages your testicles unless you try
it, right?
Of course, the true believers here won't listen to
any of this, or they'll start their silly arguments
of "where's your scientific evidence" - as if they
have plenty of science behind their bullshit claims
for penis enlargement. I'm sure they'll be able to
pull up plenty of papers from the New England Journal
of Medicine to prove that penis enlargement works (sic).
They'll tell us about their own experiences and how
their penises are the size of King Kong's. I can't
help it if these guys fall prey to their own wishful
thinking and let it influence the way they measure
their penises. It's really kind of pathetic when you
think about it. They're like people who believe that
the "alien autopsy" was real. You know, cretins.
Don't worry, they'll get over it. They'll cry and
whine, sniff about how hateful people are and "why
can't we all just get along," and they'll call each
other "brother" and other church revival names,
post a lot of flames, make their petty little
arguments, call names, and go on and on about
the conspiracy in the medical community to keep all
of you from having big penises. Then they'll
start posting their usual drivel again.
The truth is, many of them have severe personality
disorders because their parents never accepted their
homosexuality. But at least a few of the sincere but
misguided people who listen to these wankers might seek
reputable advice from doctors for their problems.
I'm sure they'll criticize me for posting no return
address, but I don't think you need my return address.
I certainly don't want to hear from any of you.
If you have questions, take them to a physician - not
to some faceless user on the internet. If you don't
believe things I've said, go ask a doctor.
I'll repeat it, in case you didn't get it the first time:
The vacuum pumps that the people on this forum are
promoting are SEX TOYS that are good for some cheap
thrills. If you use them regularly, your penis will
swell up with edema, and that edema will go away quickly
when you stop pumping. They cannot cause permanent
enlargement of the penis unless they damage it so badly
that it forms scar tissue. They can cause side-effects if
you misuse them or overuse them. Insecure men who worry
about penis size need either a loving sex partner or a
psychiatrist. People who are obsessed with "pumping" are
mentally ill. People who have problems with their penises,
or with erection need to seek real medical advice from
professionals - not from this forum. All general physicians
and urologists are trained to deal with these problems.
I do not know any physician who would laugh at a patient for
bringing any such problems or questions to him. If you know
one who does, you should report him to your state medical
board, or lodge a complaint with his HMO or his chief of
services.
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